Precision Rifle Build on a Reasonable Budget – Part 1

My next series of articles are going to be covering the topic of building a precision rifle. I will be covering everything from putting together a relatively low cost budget build to having a high dollar custom rig built. There are many misconceptions in regards to precision shooting. One of the biggest errors I see is the idea of having to have a $6000.00 dollar large caliber rifle to be able to shoot long distances effectively and accurately. I’m here to tell you that is simply false. One of the most enjoyable things I like to see is a new shooter getting into the sport of precision marksmanship. It is disheartening to see a new shooter with the will and desire to learn but be derailed because of the misconception of the cost it takes to participate. Yes, we all want to have the sexiest rifle on the range but the bottom line is a rifle is only as good as the marksman driving it. The most important part of precision marksmanship isn’t the rifle or the optic attached to it. It’s the marksman and his knowledge of the fundamentals and how he applies them that will allow his equipment to shine.

If a shooter was to ask me what caliber he should choose to start learning the art of long range precision marksmanship I would tell him without a reasonable doubt a 308. There are many reasons I would select that caliber. The first would be that the Match grade 308 is an inherently accurate round out to 1000 yards which can be purchased off the shelf at a relatively low cost. The second reason is the 308 in my opinion is the best round for learning the effects of weather and how they affect the projectile in flight. This is also known as “external ballistics”. There is no cheating with the 308. The shooter must know all of the environmental conditions and be able to correctly judge range to target, wind direction and speed to be effective. This caliber is the perfect learning tool. The third reason is the 308 has relatively minor recoil. This is important because if a shooter is getting beat up behind the rifle he is less likely to concentrate on the correct fundamentals of placing a well-aimed shot and more likely to buck, flinch or jerk knowing he is about to feel some pain.

Remember it’s not how sexy or expensive the rifle is. The important thing is the marksman and what he can do with the rifle. I always have to laugh when I am competing against another shooter who’s wielding some high dollar big bore rifle that costs him $2.50 every time he pulls the trigger. Then there’s me with my little old 308 dinging the same steel he is and spending half the money. Now I’m not saying there aren’t advantages to shooting a custom rifle launching 220 grain pills down range. What I am saying is that a rifle is just a tool and the product it produces is only as good as the craftsman that uses it. The most important aspect to precision marksmanship is learning the art. After the fundamentals are mastered the shooter can make small gains by upgrading his equipment. The investment that will always yield the most returns for a shooter is learning the proper fundamentals of marksmanship.  In a nutshell that means your money is better spent on training and ammo first before all the bling of a sexy rifle.

The first rifle I will introduce is what I like to call a budget rifle. It isn’t the sexiest rifle in the world but it is still very capable of delivering precision rifle fire. It is also an affordable investment in comparison to some of the other rifles and equipment that I will talk about in part 2 and 3 of this article.

If a shooter has a limited budget and is looking to break into the game I would recommend a Remington 700 SPS Varmint. This rifle sells retail for $700.00. If you put forth the effort and do some digging you can find these rifles being sold used for as little as $450.00. Most of them are in like new condition and some are even outfitted with a decent optic. I recommend the Remington 700 SPS for a number of reasons. First out of the box the SPS Varmint is very accurate without any modifications. It’s outfitted with a decent stock and a heavy barrel. This rifle is capable of shooting sub “MOA” groups with factory match ammo right off the store room shelf.  The next reason is the Remington 700 action is a strong and reliable action. It is also very easy to true and modify. I don’t know of a custom rifle builder that does not work on Remington 700 actions. This is important because down the road if a shooter wants to start upgrading his rifle with custom parts like a new match grade barrel, stock, trigger etc… the parts are readily available and there are loads of gunsmiths that will be happy to do the work. Now there are rifles and actions on the market that some custom rifle builders will refuse to work on. The Remington 700 is typically not one of them. It is a solid investment that will grow with the shooter as he grows. The shooter can then tweak the rifle to his liking as he becomes more proficient and learns what he wants in a precision rifle.

The next item that needs to be addresses is optics or “glass”. The optic on a precision rifle is every bit as important as the rifle itself. There is nothing that disappoints me more than a shooter who drops big money on a rifle and then attaches a low quality pellet rifle scope to it. The bottom line is Glass is worth its weight in gold. You have to be able to see what you are shooting at to hit it. When you are looking at engaging targets at distances a half a mile or more, poor glass is not going to cut it. You will have a hard time identifying targets if your glass is of poor quality. Furthermore the adjustments that you dial on your scope with your turrets have to be precise. A poorly made scope will eventually not track true when you are dialing your turrets up and down and back and forth time and time again. If the internal parts of the optic are made of substandard parts they will wear out fast and fail. When you add recoil into the mix the problems get even bigger. There are enough variables that precision shooters have to take into consideration when engaging targets. An optic that doesn’t perform correctly should not be one of them.

The optics I’m going to suggest for our budget rifle are quality optics that will perform and be reasonably affordable for the task at hand. Make no mistake optics are every bit as expensive as a rifle. The optics our military snipers are running on their precision rigs are of the highest quality. These optics are in the price range of $2500.00 or more. With that being said they are built with the best components in the industry. They are extremely rugged and capable of taking a lot of abuse for obvious reasons. These will not be the type of optics I will be suggesting for our budget rifle. I will talk about these optics more in part 2 and 3 of this article.

There are a couple different scope options that I would suggest for our budget rifle. The optic should be at least a 10 power. It should have adjustable turrets for adding elevation and windage adjustments to the rifle. This is important because the precision shooter will need to be able to raise and lower his elevation when engaging targets at different ranges. The shooter will also need to be able to adjust for the different wind conditions he will surely be facing at the time of the shot.

The first optic that fits this bill is the Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14X40mm. http://www.leupold.com/  This optic is durable and has good quality glass for the intended purpose. It is also outfitted with a duplex reticle. This scope can be purchased brand new for around $700.00. I’ve seen these purchased used for as little as $450.00.  Once again if you do some digging you can find some reasonable prices on used equipment.

The second optic I would suggest is the Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44mm. http://www.vortexoptics.com/ Vortex is a fairly new company to break onto the scene recently.  I’ve had the opportunity to get my hands on this scope and I have to say that for the money this piece of glass is hard to beat. It has good clear glass, exposed turrets that make dialing elevation and wind adjustments very easy. It is also outfitted with an MRAD or MOA reticle which aids in ranging unknown distance targets as well as using the holdover method for engaging targets. The “holdover method” is nothing more than using your reticle to add elevation and windage to the rifle instead of dialing your adjustments with your turrets. It is a more efficient way to engage targets when time is of the essence. I will discuss this topic more in depth in future articles. This scope is also outfitted with an illuminated reticle for engaging targets in low to no light situations. The bottom line is, for the price this scope is hard to beat. The Vortex Viper retails new for around $700.00 and I’ve seen it as low as $600.00. There are different variants of this scope that are higher powered but they will run you a little more money.

The final two items that will be needed to make your build complete is a scope base and rings. There are a ton of manufactures out there that produce quality rings and bases. When it comes to rings the price ranges vary from $15.00 to $300.00. Rings are important because they are what keep your scope firmly in place without damaging it. You want a set of rings that will keep your optic in its place even if you accidentally drop or bump your rifle. You don’t need a set of rings that will prevent Godzilla from ripping it off your rifle but you need good solid rings. I would recommend a set of GG&G Aluminum Sniper Grade rings for our budget build. They are a decent set of affordable rings retailing for $85.00. If you want to go a little higher end I would look at the Vortex Precision Matched rifle Scope Rings which retail for $114.00 http://www.vortexoptics.com/.  When selecting a base for our rifle I would recommend a 20 MOA base for added elevation. I would look at the Brownells Remington 700 Heavy Duty 20 MOA scope base. It retails for around $50.00.  http://www.brownells.com One more option but a little more costly would be the Nightforce Remington 700 scope Base which retails for $114.00. http://www.nightforceoptics.com/

There are many different options to take a look at when putting together a rifle on a budget. All of us have a different ideas of what a budget build is. This is my version and if you play your cards right you could put together a competitive rifle for around $1200.00 I hope you all gained something from my first of 3 articles on building a precision rifle. Be on the lookout for part 2 of this series of articles where I will be getting into upgrading our budget rifle with higher end components. I look forward to fielding any questions you all might have and once again feel free to add your thoughts on the subject.

Juliet 1

45 comments
clarksterfish
clarksterfish

308 heavy stainless 26 inch barrel model ? 700 remington , ready to rock , want to reach out and touch something, elk, deer, gongs for beers at range, private, only toy not have as of now. What does a craz z gun nut to do, no where to be found due to b.s recalls. Hmmmmm not recall on new guns, just can't seem to locate as of 7 3 14. help or can i get used 308 and modify to heavy stainless barrels , 1000 yd accuracy ? ;-(

clarksterfish
clarksterfish

been looking for remington xsr ? 26 fluted 308 or xcr ? forgot all the bs alpha, why is remington taking such sweet time on a so call recall. a new rifle should not be in the mix of recall and available. Is this another part of government and taking away our rights to shoot, buy, etc. 


joker yankee
joker yankee

+1for the vortex scope. I have one mounted on my AR-10 style rifle. While it isn't a precision rifle, it was putting rounds on target consistently. 

clpphotog1
clpphotog1

Great article Juliet - thank you for taking the time to put it together. Did I miss the second two articles? I have looked around and did not see them. Also I started with a Savage .308 with accu-trigger - would like your thoughts on that. Also I am now looking (because this is about as addictive as can be for me...) a 300 WinMag - is the Rem 700 a good way to go for that? 

RAMC
RAMC

Hi J1, thanks for the article, its a good read.

Permit me to ask 2 questions. Other than the Remington 700, what other rifle would you consider as a 'base' to start off with? Personally i am thinking of the M1 or M14 semi auto

2) Gas guns arent exactly the first thing that most would consider a good base rifle for a precision shooting outing, though i would be interested in your thoughts of the use of an M14 dropped into a juggernaught chassis. 

USMC1
USMC1

Wow great article , To think after all these years I had Remy 700 varmint in 7mm Rem Mag , I played around with , hunted and then sold it , never thinking anything of it . Until Now , Im curious what you think of the 7mm Rem Mag round as opposed to the .308 ? I know that 7mm would shoot 500 yards and kill bucks without a problem , never tried much further , but I suppose it could . I also like the idea or the premise of quality optics , if your gonna put the money into the gun , your just wasting the guns potential by limiting the optics you use , if your finding at 7-10 you cant see too clear you just chucke 400 buck down the drain , dont skimp if your life depends on it , I dont mean that lightly either , take the time and buy quality optics , it will save your ass in the coming days!

BWGRP
BWGRP

Thanks for the great article. As I am looking around I see the Model 700 SPS Varmint rifle has a 26" barrel and the SPS Tactical has a 20" barrel. Does it matter which barrel length I should use? 

BWGRP
BWGRP

Thanks for the great article. As I am looking around I see the Model 700 SPS Varmint rifle has a 26" barrel and the SPS Tactical has a 20" barrel. Does it matter which barrel length I should use? 

wadea1974
wadea1974

Im a avid longrange shooter out to 1000 yds. i saved up my money, and called on a good friend of mine who is the 3 time world champion long range F class shooter, John Whidden, www.whiddengunworks.com On my 308 rifle we went with a rem 700 clone, stiller tac30 short action, hart match grade stainless barrel, seekins bottom metal w/ detachable AI bottom metal, jewel trigger (a whole 8 oz.) and a custom stock made by www.whiddencompositeworks.com for good glass i went with the nightforce nxs 5.5-20*50mm, and i must tell you, this platform, theses parts with this gunsmith will take you to the next phase downrange !

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator

Long Action 700 or Short Action?  What are the advantages of the Short?  I know the long would allow caliber change up to .300 WinMag.  Is the Short action faster on lockup?

katgirl
katgirl

This was my foray into trying to build a reasonable 'pratical' oriented precision rifle on a budget.  It was a 25 yr project which I added to as I had the budget and using it to learn basic skills.  If I had the money, I would have wanted to start with a Rem 700 7.62NATO and build it up, but I didn't have the money and saw something pretty unbelievable.  I walked into a country sporting goods store on vacation once and there was a 1960 era Colt 30-06 rifle which was based on the Sako Finnbear sporter.  The barrel was totally shot out (which I proved to myself by seeing perfect sideways holes at 25 yds) but the Sako L61R long action was in beautiful shape as well as the stock.  It's now got pretty much everything I need except for a 20MOA rail or rings which will fit a Sako action and the length of my scope.  Douglas match barrel which had to be tapered because of the thinness of the forend, floated and bedded (not pillar), trigger work, bolt face/lugs refined, new recoil pad, and recently an AR-10 muzzle brake (since I just couldn't maintain a consistent hold and cheek weld because it was 9.5 lbs including scope) oh Harris bipod and Leupold 4.5-14x40 AO Mildot.  I'm still learning to get consistent but it sure taught me a lot along the way! 

 

http://twolftfeet.com/me/sako_cropcorr080511b_third.jpg

Breach
Breach

Awesome article, I'm actually looking to get into the precision game and have about a 3k budget. I'm definitely getting the r700 sps varmint, but I'm replacing the stock with a McMillan A5 stock! Vortext viper pst 4-16x50 Ffp. Obviously I'm accounting for the Harris stock and other accessories, but I'm thinking that should give me a good starter rig so that I can shoot the shit out of it while I learn. When I burn out that barrel then I'll look at the other short action calibers.

Juliet 1
Juliet 1

I'm glad you all liked the article. I am writing part 2 now and will be getting into higher end optics, stocks and triggers. In this first article I mostly wanted to cover low cost solutions. There are better options and we will be getting into them soon.

JShepard
JShepard

Great article!  I've been shooting off of a 700 SPS V  in .308 for the last couple of years.  It is an excellent rifle for a budget build.  The heavy contour barrel is extremely accurate, i.e. .5 to .75 MOA with match ammunition.  It will hold zero better once it goes in a free floating stock as the one it comes with is not very good.  However, this gives you a chance to find the style that's best for you.  Ask folks at your local range if you can get behind their rifles.  Most of us are more than happy to let you try on the stock for size to see what style your prefer and there are many styles for the 700.   

 

I noticed that there was some discussion on tube size so I thought I'd weigh in quick.  In addition to allowing more light to pass, which is generally a minor effect with good quality glass.  The light gathering ability depends on the objective size (weight and signature) and the glass quality, coatings, grinding etc. ($$$$).  Tube size mainly provides more range for internal adjustment (i.e. wind and elevation)  So, if you want to dial out to 600 yards on an SPS V shooting M-118LR (or the civilian SSA copy I'm running right now)  you will need about 18 MOA of internal adjustment.  A smaller tube size limits the internal adjustment to about 40 MOA of total adjustment whereas a expensive 30mm tube can have 110+MOA of adjustment.  On a flat base, supposing everything is concentric and the total travel is 60 MOA.  There will be 60MOA up and 60MOA down.  It never works out that way, and unless you're planning on shooting long range upside down, it's better to bias your rifle on a 20 MOA base to be 50 up 10 down which allows for some wiggle room for zeroing.  In other words pay for decent glass on a 30mm or larger tube.  You'll thank yourself later.  Also, if you can find one, the Remingtion 700 AAC edition is nice as it is a shorter barrel and has a faster twist rate than the standard Remington 700 1:12".  If I had to build again I might think about doing the AAC edition over the SPS-V.

FormerSFMedic
FormerSFMedic moderator

Great write up! Iam extremely glad to see precision shooting being covered here. As some may know, precision shooting is a big part of my training and a subject that I love discussing.

 

Eventhough I love the write up, I would probably make some changes to the setup. As far as scope rings, I would rather go with a 1 piece QD mount like the Larue mounts. If we're trying to build a rifle on a budget, then getting more for our buck is what we want. With a Larue QD mount, you get the absolute best quality mount on the market for a very similar price to a good set of Match rings. You'll pay a little more, but you'll have a mount that will allow you to move your scope from one rifle to the next when you please. With the rings you will be able to do the same thing, but it will take alot more time and effort to make it happen. Again, more for your money.

 

The other thing I would probably look at differently is the glass. Now, don't get me wrong, Vortex and Leupold  have some great glass and they're hard to beat for the money. However, I would rather buy something a little more on the high end so that I can make the most of my range time. Most scopes don't have really accurate turret adjustments. The last thing you want is to be learning a new shooting discipline (precision shooting) only to waste countless time and ammo trying to figure out why you aren't hitting. Holds are always more accurate than dialing. High dollar glass is going to have high dollar turret adjustments (in most cases). As a matter of fact, there are alot of $500 scopes out there with really clear/bright performance just like the expensive $3000 scopes. The difference is in the quality of the materials and the precision of the turret adjustments. Precision shooting is all about precision! A high dollar scope will allow your rifle to perform at it's best and you can use that scope on other rifles later on if you decide to upgrade. Again, more bang for the buck.

 

I totally agree about the .308. The .308 has some really great factory ammunition available and it's pretty fairly priced. Plus, you can easily find ammo pretty much anywhere it's sold. The most important part is that it can be very accurate BUT, it's not a heavy high BC round (not usually) which means you MUST do your part to hit at long range. It will challenge you and require you to learn the fundamentals and be consistent yet still have oustanding performance out to 1000M and beyond.

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

I'm not sure that upgrading the barrel is even necessary until you've put enough lead through it to kill the barrel. My 700 .300 Win Mag shoots .25 MOA with the stock factory barrel, and holds that out as far as I can hold that (650-700 yards. Beyond that, I'm still sub-MOA, but not nearly .25 MOA).

in2gr8
in2gr8

Great post. As I already planned on upgrading the barrel, I picked up the Rem 700 ADL in .308. cost was $379.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator

If given the choice between 30mm tubes and 34mm which would you prefer?  And Why?

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

Awesome article! I'd love to get you involved in my Marksmanship Fundamentals series. 

Juliet 1
Juliet 1

 @BWGRP @DavidKnuth@FormerSFMedic@BrandonTwebb@jackmurphyrgr

I'm glad you asked this. This is something that I have never really saw the benefit to. Barrel length is an interesting subject. There are positives and negatives for both having a longer barrel as their are for having a shorter barrel. But I feel the benefits for a shorter barrel don't really outweigh the positives for a full length barrel. I guess what you have to ask yourself is "what is my intended purpose for the rifle?

What you gain with a rifle that has a shorter barrel is maneuverability, and  weight loss.  6 inches can make a big difference if you are in a confined space. Something you also want to take into consideration is  if your going to run a suppressor on your rifle. The suppressor will add roughly another 10 inches. 

The down side to a shorter barrel, and I believe it is a major down side, is a loss of performance. You will lose velocity on your projectiles because you are basically cutting 6 inches off of the total burn of your powder. That also equates to loss of energy.

Personally I have always leaned toward the side of maximum performance out of my rounds. So I run a 24 to 26 inch barrel on all of my rifles even the ones I put a suppressor on. The way I see it is I am not planning on doing any room clearing  with a bolt gun so I don't see the need for a short barrel. I have other weapons that are better suited for that type of scenario. I also don't see the huge benefit of a pound or two of weight reduction.

I have seen a lot of precision rifles over the last couple of years outfitted with 20" and even 18" barrels.

I have to admit I really understood that fad. I believe a precision rifle should be just that "a precision rifle". If that is what you want I would expect the max amount of performance out of it. To get that you need to run a full length barrel.

I am going to CC a couple of the other guys on this because they might have some more positives to add to the short barrel argument and I don't want to sell you short. I hope this helped you out.

Juliet 1
Juliet 1

 @Old PH2 Yes you nailed it. The Short action's advantage is the length of throw. It is much faster. It also allows you to keep your eye on the target when you are cycling the bolt because you don't have to worry about pulling the bolt back into your face. This is a "pet peeve" of mine. I see it all the time at tactical steel comps.

 

Guys take a shot and then pull there head off the rifle and cycle the action. By doing this they just gave up there proper cheek weld and now they have to regain it. This equals loss of time. In a more serious scenario it could mean they lose site of their target and that could cause issues for the good guys.

 

I always run short actions if I can for this simple reason. f our not shooting 1500 yards+ there is really no reason to run anything but a short to medium action. The reason is because there are plenty of calibers that can perform to these distances that are in the short to medium action range.

katgirl
katgirl

 @Disorderly Conduct I saw a sale at Big 5 a few weeks ago where Moisin-Nagants were being sold for $99!  I'm tempted to get one someday.  It sure requires some muscle closing the bolt huh?

 

Juliet 1
Juliet 1

 @Disorderly Conduct I don't have alot of experience with these type of rifles. I have fired them in the past and some are fairly accurate. Sounds like you have done some mods already that have improved accuracy. I would say that the big mod you could do with a rifle like the mosin would be to put an aftermarket stock that would allow the barrel to be free floating and then I would bed the action.

JShepard
JShepard

 @Juliet 1 I was wondering if you were going to discuss the different reticles (FFP/SFP, matching turrets/reticles, MOA/Mil) on the market and how useful they are from a real world perspective?  I know the Horus reticles have developed a pretty substantial following, at least on the internet, as they're  supposedly easy to hold over for wind and drop instead of dialing it in as well as easy to adjust for follow up.  I haven't found someone who has one I can tryout...  Others claim they're "too busy" for field work.  I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.  Thanks again for the article!  I'll try and wait patiently for the next segment.

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

@Juliet 1 I'd still like to work with you on my marksmanship fundamentals series.

Juliet 1
Juliet 1

 @JShepard Absolutely!!! I will be writing an article on this shortly.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator

 @JShepard I appreciate the Info about the internal adjustments, never made that connection but it should be common sense.   I know a fair amount about optics, you are absolutely correct about the coatings and good quality glass.  Until you have looked through say, a Carl Zeiss lens you can't really appreciate the visual difference.  Swarovski, Schmidt & Bender, Nikon, Zeiss are all well known for their high quality glass.  I wonder how a VORTEX or Leupold stack up to them?

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

 @JShepard 

 

A good bedding job in a good stock will do wonders for that accuracy. I took mine down .5 MOA by doing so.

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

 @FormerSFMedic 

 

I generally agree with you, although I will say that most reviews on the Vortex put it on the order of being equal to the higher end glass. I'll be reviewing the Vortex 1-4x and I'm trying to get something closer to my nightforce 5.5-25x50 for comparison.

FormerSFMedic
FormerSFMedic moderator

 @Matt2 - I own a .300 WM as well and I would say to most people not to get one until you've bought a .308. How far will you be shooting? That's a good question to ask yourself on the Win Mag. If you're not shooting at ranges from 1350M to 1Mile, why would you want a Win Mag? The .308 will get out to 1000M and still stay supersonic, and it will also allow you to hit at a mile. With that said, it will be more challenging (and more fun) to shoot the .308 at long distances. The .308 will be MUCH cheaper on ammo as well. .300 WM barrels generally last about 1/3 the life of a .308 barrel of comparable quality.

 

I say get a .308 and have fun, then decide if you need the magnum later.

 

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

 @Old PH2 

 

I think the tube size is secondary to the optics that do what you need and are good quality. Why buy a larger tube if the better optic has the smaller tube?

Twisted redneck69
Twisted redneck69

I'm building my maussin nagant 7.62x54r. What do u guys think of in distance and such.

FormerSFMedic
FormerSFMedic

@JShepard @Juliet 1 - JShepard, I can't speak for the author, but I can speak from my experiences. There have been some significant advances in scope technology in the last 3 to 5 years that have really made a HUGE difference in the Long Range shooters capabilities. The trends we're seeing in the SOF community are carrying over to hunting and competition scopes. The sniper rifle and scope combination has seen more advancement than any other area of small arms. With all that said, the scope has made the most strides out of all the snipers kit. The Horus H58/59 is absolutely the best reticle for long range ever! It took me awhile to switch over and I was one of those people that wouldn't let go of my MilDot because the H58/59 was "too busy". Now I'm kicking myself in the ass because I didn't switch sooner. The Horus is NOT too busy as I found out. Our SOCOM Snipers have been using them for observation and hunters have been using them for hunting with great success. I would not be caught dead without a Horus! It is the fastest most intuitive reticle on the market and of makes shooting at long range much easier than with the MilDot. Second shot corrections can be made immediately, sniper and spotter can communicate much easier, and there's no need to dial. Combined with a .1 mil adjustment turret, the system simply can't be beat! With new scopes coming to the market, we'll soon have the perfect scope available to us. The Horus reticle in a 3x to 25x FFP and .1 mil locking turrets is going to be scope nirvana!

Juliet 1
Juliet 1

 @DavidKnuth  @Juliet I'd be up for discussing the series. Let me know your thoughts and to what capacity would you are looking for from me. Talk to you soon.

JShepard
JShepard

 @Old PH2 I'm really looking forward to a segment on optics, brands that work (and don't) from a real world perspective.  Nikon has some great glass (for the money) but it is a little light on features compared to some others.  It use to be a Nikon or Bushnell for a super budget build if you wanted a mil'ed reticle, or maybe a Tasco SS 10x, but the tactical scope market has exploded since I did my build so there are a lot more options today that weren't there.  Granted, paying for good glass up front is usually worth saving the extra money.  I wish there was an article like this back when I did my build.  Because I made some mistakes on my optic choices so hopefully this helps new folks getting into the long range game.   I'm excited learn some more in parts 2 & 3!

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

 @FormerSFMedic 

 

I disagree. The .308's range and ballistic arc is REALLY stretching past a thousand. 

 

As to cost, you'd be crazy to get into distance shooting and NOT reload. I can reload for the Win mag for about the same price as the .308. 

 

Overall, the .300 is a better overall rifle if 1km+ is your goal.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator

 @DavidKnuth The biggest reason I can come up with has to do with the amount of light gathering versus light transmission.  Let me clarify, given two tubes with comparable optics the amount of light gathered by the larger tube will be more.  But if the smaller tube has the benefit of better light transmission due to better optics, you will have comparable or better results.  With cameras we pay for "Fast" lenses, they pass more light and are generally superior platforms.  But a fast lens on a 35mm doesn't pass the same amount of light as a fast lens on a 120mm camera.    

FormerSFMedic
FormerSFMedic moderator

@Matt2 - 1/3 seems substantial and it is. However, that's 1/3 of the ACTUAL barrel life. A 700 with factory barrel in .308 is listed as having a barrel life of around 5,000 rounds. The ACTUAL barrel life is more like twice that. Depending on the barrel and the loads used, you're looking at having a 3,500 round barrel life in a similar barrel in .300 WM. I would even say that you would probably get more out of a really good barrel from Kreiger, Broughton, Mike Rock, or one of the other good barrel makers. Around 3,500 to 5,000 rounds for a Win Mag is probably realistic in the factory barrels.

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

@Matt2 larger, higher pressure rounds like the .300 and .338 lapua will have shorter lifespans than the .308, simply because they will tend to erode and wear harder on the barrel. A .308 will do fine if you're not planning to go farther than 1km, I'll give it that.

FormerSFMedic
FormerSFMedic moderator

@DavidKnuth - I agree with you on that. That is why I recommend the .308. Long range precision shooting isn't that hard and with the .300WM it's that much easier to push put to the distances most people will have access to. With a .308 a shooter can get out to a 1000m effectively. Past 1000m things start to get challenging with the .308, which is why I suggest that caiber. If you're new, there will be enough challenge there to really learn the fundamentals. If your seasoned, the .308 will keep you sharp and challenge your complacency. Either cartridge is a win. I just think the .308 is a better "first rifle" cartridge. The .300WM is better for a shooter that has already solidified his skills and wants to push his limits.

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

 @ArcticWarrior  @Matt2 

 

My best group with this rifle is 8.93" at 1000 yards. Absolute best group ever. I am also horribly out of practice.

DavidKnuth
DavidKnuth

 @ArcticWarrior  @Matt2 

 

My 300 Win Mag is a great shooter. It has 1200 rounds on the clock right now, with no diminishment in accuracy.  As stated before,  it holds to .25 MOA if I do my job. Out of the box accuracy, i should admit, was closer to .75MOA. A proper bedding job in a McMillan stock brought it down that extra half MOA. I did the bedding job myself, which wasn't too hard. Hardest part was making sure the stock was properly inletted.

 

Another thing most people miss that really affects accuracy, and I'll touch on that when i get into fundamentals, is the poor trigger on most stock remington rifles. They are somewhat adjustable, but still only go down to about 3 pounds. A lighter jewell trigger at 1-1.5# is ideal for a rifle to prevent any shift in the rifle from finger pressure.